Shacwatch has very little interest in Fitwatch - their strange antics accomplish very little apart from publicity for their followers - and arrests of course!
We do however understand that our old foe and drunkard Loony Lyn contributes on an occasional basis.
That alone is just cause to have the blog taken down - Well done CO11
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Fitwatch was everything that Lynn sought - a group of strange nutty Lefty types who thought the police doing their jobs and catching law breakers was wrong !
The fun thing about Fitwatch was always the occasional posts by a London policeman called Metcountymountie. He always made the numpties there look dim and in the end they had to block his posts because he was in danger of making them look so stupid nobody would take their site seriously
Well now that NECTU has destroyed SHAC they will need a new target.
Sites like FITWATCH who think they are above the law will now discover they are not. FITWATCH and SHAC have a lot in common, the usual whining about police repression that is in reality the police not letting them break the law. They are both run by Middle Class misfits who have seen the financial benefits that 'activism' can bring. They both condone illegal acts while being the first to call for the police to be 100% legal in their actions. Both have easily manipulated, keen to please youngsters doing the donkey work while the leaders stay in the shadows unknown to even the people involved in the organisation.
Both achieve nothing.
More infighting from crazy AR people. This was posted by Carrie Holliman of the failed Animal Protection Party around the time of the election.
Subject: [Sulis] Paul The Provocateur
From: "carrie holliman"
Date: Thu, May 13, 2010
To: sulis@lists.rbgi.net
Over the past few months, even though I have tried to engage in reasonable discussion about the APP, it seems that for what ever reason Paul The Provocateur cannot refrain from regurgitating wrong information or just generally putting everything down - ideas, campaigns, initiative, people, beliefs. Why would someone who wants to further our cause, as we all on here hopefully do, desire to do something like that? Nothing positive comes from it. Is this what we are to expect for the future of our movement? How long will this go on for, Paul?
Paul. Do you know I’ve had 27 emails in the past ten days regarding you and your various postings! The saddest thing of all is that this wastes good people's time and energy. Does that make you feel good? By the way you are a tiny drop in the ocean of the emails we have had, all of which are overwhelmingly positive apart from those from a quartet including you, this Lee Devenport and mad Mandy.
Of those 27 emails, some think you’re no better or no worse than mad Mandy. Some think you’re an infiltrator, and I understand this. I know you’ve contributed to Indymedia and Shacwatch with defamatory comments about us. We’re meant to be on the same side you fuckwit. One said you're trying to be a real anarchist but why then would you care whether we got votes, didn’t get votes, let the Tories in and so fourth? Apparently you’ve brought your own council house so that veto’s you from being a socialist. But the overriding consensus was that you’re an envious, bitter little man. A man who could have been a part of something amazing if only you’d had the guts. But you didn’t did you? So here’s the rub. You know you’ll always be known as the man who grovelled an apology to McDonalds and the shame of that eats you up inside. I know it would me. So can I suggest that you stop dissecting the campaigns and thoughts of others and open that wardrobe of demons in your life. Who knows, some day you may be able to live with yourself.
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Seems that SHAC USA have not learnt the lessons of their UK colleagues. If you put up videos and pictures on You Tube showing your demos then this only illustrates how small your support is, here we see a group of pasty faced vegans annoying people staying at a hotel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hi8hwVguhI
Of course what the video doesn't show is that this bunch were protesting against the American College of Toxology a highly respected research centre. As usual the justification for this sad display is that HLS is a member of the College.
Maybe SHAC USA follows the example of SHAC UK in the future.
Take pictures of a small group, pretend that many others were there but were just out of shot.
Prevent nutcase pre-op transexuals from getting anywhere the mic.
Medawar thought that "Sulis" was the source of flat, light, terribly expensive gift boxes quietly rustling with moth-larvae products that made Brazilian girlfriends happy and grateful.
Is nothing sacred, will the AR nutters hijack every good thing?
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Subject: Re: [Sulis] shacwatch
From: "Steve"
Date: Sat, November 20, 2010
To: sulis@lists.rbgi.net
I see three possibilities.
(1) A member of Shacwatch is on the Sulis (not very likely, if this were the case I think Shacwatch would not be able to resist putting more from the list on their website).
(2) A member of the Sulis has felt so disgruntled that they have passed the email on to Shacwatch.
(3) The police monitor the Sulis and passed the email on (not likely as surely the police would not risk letting it being known they monitor the list).
Of course I could be wrong on all counts. I am sure people who have more expertise in online security will have other answers.
Steve
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Subject: RE: [Sulis] shacwatch
From: "L SAWYER"
Date: Sat, November 20, 2010
To: sulis@lists.rbgi.net
Another explaination. The police are involved in shacwatch themselves. We know that they post on Indy and just look at the language used in the Fitwatch post why would vivisectors care about students getting arrested or not? I am convinced that the police are involved as either individuals doing something that will get them into deep shit or doing it with the blessing of high ranking officers to which purpose I know not, I just know that I cannot proove who or what is involved
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Subject: RE: [Sulis] shacwatch
From: "Jo Jo"
Date: Sat, November 20, 2010
To: sulis@lists.rbgi.net
Shouldn't we just assume that despite security measures there are undercover coppers on this list anyway, or at the very least they read all the emails?? Not that it really matters, as there is nothing illegal about the list or anything anyone is saying on it, as I'm sure everyone is aware. Although, maybe something to bear in mind when airing disputes?
Jo
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Subject: Re: [Sulis] shacwatch
From: "Luke Steele"
Date: Sat, November 20, 2010
To: sulis@lists.rbgi.net
No offense to anybody, but why are we even discussing this waste of time.
SHACWatch is a complete joke, we should not even be giving them our attention and diverting away from the subject which is the animals we are trying to save. It is clearly run by the police, as lots of evidence suggests, so it is no wonder they have access to our emails.
People are only as oppressed as we allow ourselves to be, and the AR movement is far from oppressed at the moment. We see people doing what we as a movement have always done and, even if it were illegal, the police don't have the resources to deal with the movement's growth over the past several months and return to actions such as run ins, sit down protests, lock-ons, rooftop occupations etc and the latest trial is nothing short of an embarrassment and joke.
Would movements of the past have cared if the police had made a sneery comment about them, or taken a photo? I doubt it, so we should not be distracted from our real objectives and aims by these sad acts.
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Subject: Re: [Sulis] shacwatch
From: "L SAWYER"
Date: Sat, November 20, 2010
To: sulis@lists.rbgi.net
Sorry Luke I disagree. People needed to know this so I posted it just press delete if you think it is a waste of time that's what I do for all sorts of things.Many activists are unaware of how the police are conducting themselves so I think we will just have to agree to differ on this one . Personally I wanted to ensure that people on this list were fully aware that what is put on here is not only watched by the cops but has now for the first time been posted in the public domain. Of course if everyone knew about it anyway and I have stopped people from going on demos and actions with this then of course I apologise but doubt very much that imparting this information has stopped anyone doing stuff.
I will make my own decisions about whether or not I feel reopressed by the state and right now I am not ashamed to admit that I am as are those who do not attend demos or do anything because they are frightened, it is an issue which is seen as a signifiant problem and whilst your courage and energy is astounding there are not many activists of your calibre. Indulge those of us who do wish to discuss repression and work ways around it with a little tolerance please although you are right in that it should not distract us. SW is something that in itself should not be bothered with other than something to have a laugh at normally but in this instance someone has published a private email and one from May at that, not everyone reads SW or is even aware of it so I fail to see why passing this on so that we can be a bit more careful is a major issue.
Anyway rant over I will shut up now and I love you really Luke.
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Subject: Re: [Sulis] shacwatch
From: "Paul"
Date: Sun, November 21, 2010
To: sulis@lists.rbgi.net
I would recommend people not visit this site as they may have something
on it to identify your IP address. Looks like it does have Google
Analytics on it, which I think tells them who has visited.
other possibilities:
* someone has a weak password for their webmail and someone hacked into it
* someone sent a virus to someone on the list and now has a backdoor in
their computer
* someone forwarded on a sulis email to someone not on the list, who
forwarded it to other people, who forwarded it to other people, etc.
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